I don't think a foster parent is needed for every box you can't
physically take care of, but a designated person to take over your
clues would be nice. In Texas, we have gotten used to taking care
of each other's boxes since the size of the State precludes everyone
from physically being able to maintain all their boxes unless they
only plant in their hometown. However, there is nothing we can do
about the clues of boxers who have left the game, so that is the
tougher problem. We have a boxer who no longer participates, but
will not repond to offers of adoption. Many of the boxes are missing,
but since the clues can't be updated, new boxers continue to try for
them and become frustrated upon learning the situation. So, do we
adopt without permission or respect the rights of the artist? I
personally think adopting without permission is acceptable in this
case, as long as the original author is still given credit and the
only change to the clues is a status entry. If the original author
objects in the future, they can take the boxes back. If a letteboxer
feels strongly that none of their boxes should ever be adopted, maybe
a disclaimer should be added at the bottom of the clues. I don't
recommend this, though, because what happens when you die? Oh yeah,
you said that topic was not worth discussing when I brought it up a
few weeks ago; nevermind.
Bottom line, I would rather see clues adopted than deleted, because a
box without clues really is a litterbox.
Silver Eagle
> What then should the answer be? In her Ladyship's pompous, elitist,
> self-righteous, arrogant, nasty, egotistical, mean opinion the onus
> should be on the placer and that, tempting though it may be to plant
> while on vacation or leave boxes behind when one moves, a placer
> should be responsible to find a foster parent for their box if it is
> in an area in which they cannot quickly reach the box for maintenance.
> This is the only way to retain control over one's special creation but
> it also imposes a responsibility to maintain ones boxes and once
> again, not all will read or follow this rule. Is there a reasonable
> solution here?
>
> Quizzically,
> LP
Adopt Or Not
12 messages in this thread |
Started on 2007-05-15
Re: Adopt Or Not
From: Silver Eagle (sileagle@alltel.net) |
Date: 2007-05-15 15:46:10 UTC
Re: [LbNA] Re: Adopt Or Not
From: (mjpepe1@comcast.net) |
Date: 2007-05-15 16:13:19 UTC
I agree with Silent Eagle. When Sue & I get the traveling bug, we like to leave a little something behind in our wake - like our "Postcards from Oregon" series. Before we hid these petites homages, we asked the local boxing community if they would watch out and care for our boxes. A resounding "yes" came through - loud and clear. We feel confident that, with the help of locals, out-o-towners can leave a box or two or nine behind.
Watch out VA Beach!
Mark
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Silver Eagle"
I don't think a foster parent is needed for every box you can't
physically take care of, but a designated person to take over your
clues would be nice. Silver Eagle
> What then should the answer be? In her Ladyship's pompous, elitist,
> self-righteous, arrogant, nasty, egotistical, mean opinion the onus
> should be on the placer and that, tempting though it may be to plant
> while on vacation or leave boxes behind when one moves, a placer
> should be responsible to find a foster parent for their box if it is
> in an area in which they cannot quickly reach the box for maintenance.
> This is the only way to retain control over one's special creation but
> it also imposes a responsibility to maintain ones boxes and once
> again, not all will read or follow this rule. Is there a reasonable
> solution here?
>
> Quizzically,
> LP
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Watch out VA Beach!
Mark
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Silver Eagle"
I don't think a foster parent is needed for every box you can't
physically take care of, but a designated person to take over your
clues would be nice. Silver Eagle
> What then should the answer be? In her Ladyship's pompous, elitist,
> self-righteous, arrogant, nasty, egotistical, mean opinion the onus
> should be on the placer and that, tempting though it may be to plant
> while on vacation or leave boxes behind when one moves, a placer
> should be responsible to find a foster parent for their box if it is
> in an area in which they cannot quickly reach the box for maintenance.
> This is the only way to retain control over one's special creation but
> it also imposes a responsibility to maintain ones boxes and once
> again, not all will read or follow this rule. Is there a reasonable
> solution here?
>
> Quizzically,
> LP
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Re: Adopt Or Not
From: Pungent Bob (PungentBob@HotPOP.com) |
Date: 2007-05-15 17:11:43 UTC
If the box is there, I'm not sure why the clue needs to be adopted. If
the box is missing, I'm not sure there is much wrong with deleting the
clue.
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Silver Eagle"
wrote:
> Bottom line, I would rather see clues adopted than deleted, because
a
> box without clues really is a litterbox.
the box is missing, I'm not sure there is much wrong with deleting the
clue.
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Silver Eagle"
wrote:
> Bottom line, I would rather see clues adopted than deleted, because
a
> box without clues really is a litterbox.
Re: [LbNA] Re: Adopt Or Not
From: R (ontario_cacher@yahoo.ca) |
Date: 2007-05-15 14:39:19 UTC-04:00
Kudos to you Mark. That's very responsible of you. Good example.
Lone R
mjpepe1@comcast.net wrote:
I agree with Silent Eagle. When Sue & I get the traveling bug, we like to leave a little something behind in our wake - like our "Postcards from Oregon" series. Before we hid these petites homages, we asked the local boxing community if they would watch out and care for our boxes. A resounding "yes" came through - loud and clear. We feel confident that, with the help of locals, out-o-towners can leave a box or two or nine behind.
Watch out VA Beach!
Mark
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Silver Eagle"
I don't think a foster parent is needed for every box you can't
physically take care of, but a designated person to take over your
clues would be nice. Silver Eagle
> What then should the answer be? In her Ladyship's pompous, elitist,
> self-righteous, arrogant, nasty, egotistical, mean opinion the onus
> should be on the placer and that, tempting though it may be to plant
> while on vacation or leave boxes behind when one moves, a placer
> should be responsible to find a foster parent for their box if it is
> in an area in which they cannot quickly reach the box for maintenance.
> This is the only way to retain control over one's special creation but
> it also imposes a responsibility to maintain ones boxes and once
> again, not all will read or follow this rule. Is there a reasonable
> solution here?
>
> Quizzically,
> LP
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Lone R
mjpepe1@comcast.net wrote:
I agree with Silent Eagle. When Sue & I get the traveling bug, we like to leave a little something behind in our wake - like our "Postcards from Oregon" series. Before we hid these petites homages, we asked the local boxing community if they would watch out and care for our boxes. A resounding "yes" came through - loud and clear. We feel confident that, with the help of locals, out-o-towners can leave a box or two or nine behind.
Watch out VA Beach!
Mark
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Silver Eagle"
I don't think a foster parent is needed for every box you can't
physically take care of, but a designated person to take over your
clues would be nice. Silver Eagle
> What then should the answer be? In her Ladyship's pompous, elitist,
> self-righteous, arrogant, nasty, egotistical, mean opinion the onus
> should be on the placer and that, tempting though it may be to plant
> while on vacation or leave boxes behind when one moves, a placer
> should be responsible to find a foster parent for their box if it is
> in an area in which they cannot quickly reach the box for maintenance.
> This is the only way to retain control over one's special creation but
> it also imposes a responsibility to maintain ones boxes and once
> again, not all will read or follow this rule. Is there a reasonable
> solution here?
>
> Quizzically,
> LP
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RE: [LbNA] Re: Adopt Or Not
From: RIFamily (RIFamily@cox.net) |
Date: 2007-05-15 18:33:49 UTC-04:00
In this vein, I have a query.
Last year I tried to find a box that had the clues on LB.org. We could not
find the box. And other searchers previously had not either. Very straight
forward clues, the box was just gone. On LB.org the box was listed as
Unclaimed. I do not know the history of how it became listed as such. The
trail name of the original placer was in the clues but when I contacted the
person who I could find with that same trail name they said no, it wasn't
them.
I expressed concerned and said that I would be willing to adopt the box if
it was adoptable. I even ask on the yahoo group and people who knew of the
box (but not the placer) encouraged adoption. LB.org agreed.
LB.org transferred to me. I had intended on either placing the box in the
same exact location, or very very close, keeping all the clues intact. But
after going back to the location we determined that the spot was really not
hidden well enough and there was nothing very nearby to move it to.
So our new location is actually in a different spot on the same property. I
have kept a lot of the original verbiage but the clues are changed enough
that is now about 50% original and 50% new.
So now my question. Is this the same box anymore? It will have the same
name. I intend on keeping the original planter's trailname in the clues,
saying that we have adopted it.
But have we? It's a new stamp, I have no idea what the original even looked
like. It's a new final hiding place. How should I handle this? Should the
clues be just deleted and I add this as a new plant with no mention of the
old box or placer? If so I would have to reword all of the clues, I think,
so that none of if it would be the original planter's words.
Thoughts?
RIFamily
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Last year I tried to find a box that had the clues on LB.org. We could not
find the box. And other searchers previously had not either. Very straight
forward clues, the box was just gone. On LB.org the box was listed as
Unclaimed. I do not know the history of how it became listed as such. The
trail name of the original placer was in the clues but when I contacted the
person who I could find with that same trail name they said no, it wasn't
them.
I expressed concerned and said that I would be willing to adopt the box if
it was adoptable. I even ask on the yahoo group and people who knew of the
box (but not the placer) encouraged adoption. LB.org agreed.
LB.org transferred to me. I had intended on either placing the box in the
same exact location, or very very close, keeping all the clues intact. But
after going back to the location we determined that the spot was really not
hidden well enough and there was nothing very nearby to move it to.
So our new location is actually in a different spot on the same property. I
have kept a lot of the original verbiage but the clues are changed enough
that is now about 50% original and 50% new.
So now my question. Is this the same box anymore? It will have the same
name. I intend on keeping the original planter's trailname in the clues,
saying that we have adopted it.
But have we? It's a new stamp, I have no idea what the original even looked
like. It's a new final hiding place. How should I handle this? Should the
clues be just deleted and I add this as a new plant with no mention of the
old box or placer? If so I would have to reword all of the clues, I think,
so that none of if it would be the original planter's words.
Thoughts?
RIFamily
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RE: [LbNA] Re: Adopt Or Not
From: xxxxxxxx (BrighidFarm@comcast.net) |
Date: 2007-05-15 17:45:57 UTC-05:00
What is so difficult about simply taking the clues offline if it's fairly
certain that a box is missing and it's completely certain that the placer
can no longer be contacted by the webmaster? If the box is truly missing,
then obviously it either was trash long ago or will never be trash, since
it's not there any longer to be trash.
Why must a box which has already gone missing be adopted? What exactly *is*
it that you're adopting if the box is missing?
Simply take the clues off the website. If someone feels that site is so
absolutely terrific that it just must have a letterbox placed there, then
they can place a letterbox of their own there. Why do they need to adopt
one that's already missing? If a webmaster can take the time to set it up
to allow another boxer access to those clues, then the webmaster can take
the even less time to simply delete the clues. If the placer reappears,
they can put the clues back.
It wouldn't, of course, keep someone from reposting the clues under their
own name and grabbing the stamp and box for themselves if the box *wasn't*
missing. But, on the other hand, these "adoptions" are supposedly being
done by "good" people, or so they and their friends seem to always say, so
that sort of stealing shouldn't be happening, right?
So in answer to your question, to me it's incredibly simple. There's no
reason not to respect the rights of the artist and not steal the clues, not
steal a box that's no longer there, but remove those clues from the website
and place a box in that park/preserve/etc yourself with your own carved
design and your own clues.
See, to me, it's quite simple. The artwork belongs to the artist. In my
opinion. And it's not a humble opinion. :-) But the right to list that
box on LbNA is not necessarily a "right." Rules can be established and put
out there right upfront. Make some sort of rule, a rule that's stated right
where it can be easily seen on the website, that if the webmaster cannot
contact the placer, the webmaster has the right to remove the clues from
LbNA. That way, nobody can be accused of attempting to "take over" anyone
else's artwork.
As to another poster who mentioned the flood of trash that would result from
not allowing adoptions, hogwash. Far more boxes are turned into "trash" by
irresponsible placers and/or irresponsible finders than will ever be turned
into trash from being abandoned by their placers. If we're going to worry
about trash in the environment, then we should talk about not allowing a
good many placers and/or finders to have any part of LbNA given the fact
that their irresponsibility has turned letterboxes into "trash." A box
originally well hidden by the placer and a box that's responsibly
*re*-hidden by a finder stands little chance of becoming "trash" even if
nobody shows up for the next 200 years to take care of it.
Word-of-mouth begins to look better and better and better and better and
better..............
Come to think of it, I actually shouldn't be in the discussion :-), since I
took my boxes off LbNA and atlasquest long ago and put them on my own
website, one of the two reasons being so that nobody else could decide to
claim them without my permission. So y'all can go fight out when the slope
begins to become a little too slippery for comfort, it really shouldn't
concern me.
~~ Mosey ~~
-----Original Message-----
From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Silver Eagle
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 10:46 AM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LbNA] Re: Adopt Or Not
However, there is nothing we can do
about the clues of boxers who have left the game, so that is the
tougher problem. We have a boxer who no longer participates, but
will not repond to offers of adoption. Many of the boxes are missing,
but since the clues can't be updated, new boxers continue to try for
them and become frustrated upon learning the situation. So, do we
adopt without permission or respect the rights of the artist?
certain that a box is missing and it's completely certain that the placer
can no longer be contacted by the webmaster? If the box is truly missing,
then obviously it either was trash long ago or will never be trash, since
it's not there any longer to be trash.
Why must a box which has already gone missing be adopted? What exactly *is*
it that you're adopting if the box is missing?
Simply take the clues off the website. If someone feels that site is so
absolutely terrific that it just must have a letterbox placed there, then
they can place a letterbox of their own there. Why do they need to adopt
one that's already missing? If a webmaster can take the time to set it up
to allow another boxer access to those clues, then the webmaster can take
the even less time to simply delete the clues. If the placer reappears,
they can put the clues back.
It wouldn't, of course, keep someone from reposting the clues under their
own name and grabbing the stamp and box for themselves if the box *wasn't*
missing. But, on the other hand, these "adoptions" are supposedly being
done by "good" people, or so they and their friends seem to always say, so
that sort of stealing shouldn't be happening, right?
So in answer to your question, to me it's incredibly simple. There's no
reason not to respect the rights of the artist and not steal the clues, not
steal a box that's no longer there, but remove those clues from the website
and place a box in that park/preserve/etc yourself with your own carved
design and your own clues.
See, to me, it's quite simple. The artwork belongs to the artist. In my
opinion. And it's not a humble opinion. :-) But the right to list that
box on LbNA is not necessarily a "right." Rules can be established and put
out there right upfront. Make some sort of rule, a rule that's stated right
where it can be easily seen on the website, that if the webmaster cannot
contact the placer, the webmaster has the right to remove the clues from
LbNA. That way, nobody can be accused of attempting to "take over" anyone
else's artwork.
As to another poster who mentioned the flood of trash that would result from
not allowing adoptions, hogwash. Far more boxes are turned into "trash" by
irresponsible placers and/or irresponsible finders than will ever be turned
into trash from being abandoned by their placers. If we're going to worry
about trash in the environment, then we should talk about not allowing a
good many placers and/or finders to have any part of LbNA given the fact
that their irresponsibility has turned letterboxes into "trash." A box
originally well hidden by the placer and a box that's responsibly
*re*-hidden by a finder stands little chance of becoming "trash" even if
nobody shows up for the next 200 years to take care of it.
Word-of-mouth begins to look better and better and better and better and
better..............
Come to think of it, I actually shouldn't be in the discussion :-), since I
took my boxes off LbNA and atlasquest long ago and put them on my own
website, one of the two reasons being so that nobody else could decide to
claim them without my permission. So y'all can go fight out when the slope
begins to become a little too slippery for comfort, it really shouldn't
concern me.
~~ Mosey ~~
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From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Silver Eagle
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 10:46 AM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LbNA] Re: Adopt Or Not
However, there is nothing we can do
about the clues of boxers who have left the game, so that is the
tougher problem. We have a boxer who no longer participates, but
will not repond to offers of adoption. Many of the boxes are missing,
but since the clues can't be updated, new boxers continue to try for
them and become frustrated upon learning the situation. So, do we
adopt without permission or respect the rights of the artist?
RE: [LbNA] Re: Adopt Or Not
From: xxxxxxxx (BrighidFarm@comcast.net) |
Date: 2007-05-15 17:49:40 UTC-05:00
If that's the box in Lombard, IL in DuPage County, that's the box the teens
set up a video camera close to the park in order to show frustrated boxers
on youtube. If that's the box you're talking about, the box was never
"gone" because it was never there to begin with. :-)
The name was changed on the box in order to draw more people to it to get
more footage of frustrated boxers for their youtube display.
That's a box whose clues should truly be deleted.
If that's the box you're talking about, why not plant a box in that same
park, if you happen to like that park (I don't happen to think that park has
anything special going for it anyway), and far far away from that line of
houses to the east of where that box *would* have been placed if it *had
been* a real box? :-)
However................
Ignore all of the above if that's not the same box you're talking about.
~~ Mosey ~~
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From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of RIFamily
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 5:34 PM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [LbNA] Re: Adopt Or Not
In this vein, I have a query.
Last year I tried to find a box that had the clues on LB.org. We could not
find the box. And other searchers previously had not either. Very straight
forward clues, the box was just gone. On LB.org the box was listed as
Unclaimed. I do not know the history of how it became listed as such. The
trail name of the original placer was in the clues but when I contacted the
person who I could find with that same trail name they said no, it wasn't
them.
I expressed concerned and said that I would be willing to adopt the box if
it was adoptable. I even ask on the yahoo group and people who knew of the
box (but not the placer) encouraged adoption. LB.org agreed.
LB.org transferred to me. I had intended on either placing the box in the
same exact location, or very very close, keeping all the clues intact. But
after going back to the location we determined that the spot was really not
hidden well enough and there was nothing very nearby to move it to.
So our new location is actually in a different spot on the same property. I
have kept a lot of the original verbiage but the clues are changed enough
that is now about 50% original and 50% new.
So now my question. Is this the same box anymore? It will have the same
name. I intend on keeping the original planter's trailname in the clues,
saying that we have adopted it.
But have we? It's a new stamp, I have no idea what the original even looked
like. It's a new final hiding place. How should I handle this? Should the
clues be just deleted and I add this as a new plant with no mention of the
old box or placer? If so I would have to reword all of the clues, I think,
so that none of if it would be the original planter's words.
Thoughts?
RIFamily
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set up a video camera close to the park in order to show frustrated boxers
on youtube. If that's the box you're talking about, the box was never
"gone" because it was never there to begin with. :-)
The name was changed on the box in order to draw more people to it to get
more footage of frustrated boxers for their youtube display.
That's a box whose clues should truly be deleted.
If that's the box you're talking about, why not plant a box in that same
park, if you happen to like that park (I don't happen to think that park has
anything special going for it anyway), and far far away from that line of
houses to the east of where that box *would* have been placed if it *had
been* a real box? :-)
However................
Ignore all of the above if that's not the same box you're talking about.
~~ Mosey ~~
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From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of RIFamily
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 5:34 PM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [LbNA] Re: Adopt Or Not
In this vein, I have a query.
Last year I tried to find a box that had the clues on LB.org. We could not
find the box. And other searchers previously had not either. Very straight
forward clues, the box was just gone. On LB.org the box was listed as
Unclaimed. I do not know the history of how it became listed as such. The
trail name of the original placer was in the clues but when I contacted the
person who I could find with that same trail name they said no, it wasn't
them.
I expressed concerned and said that I would be willing to adopt the box if
it was adoptable. I even ask on the yahoo group and people who knew of the
box (but not the placer) encouraged adoption. LB.org agreed.
LB.org transferred to me. I had intended on either placing the box in the
same exact location, or very very close, keeping all the clues intact. But
after going back to the location we determined that the spot was really not
hidden well enough and there was nothing very nearby to move it to.
So our new location is actually in a different spot on the same property. I
have kept a lot of the original verbiage but the clues are changed enough
that is now about 50% original and 50% new.
So now my question. Is this the same box anymore? It will have the same
name. I intend on keeping the original planter's trailname in the clues,
saying that we have adopted it.
But have we? It's a new stamp, I have no idea what the original even looked
like. It's a new final hiding place. How should I handle this? Should the
clues be just deleted and I add this as a new plant with no mention of the
old box or placer? If so I would have to reword all of the clues, I think,
so that none of if it would be the original planter's words.
Thoughts?
RIFamily
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RE: [LbNA] Re: Adopt Or Not
From: RIFamily (RIFamily@cox.net) |
Date: 2007-05-15 19:08:53 UTC-04:00
Nope, box in question is in Rhode Island.
RIFamily
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If that's the box in Lombard, IL in DuPage County....
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If that's the box in Lombard, IL in DuPage County....
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RE: [LbNA] Re: Adopt Or Not
From: xxxxxxxx (BrighidFarm@comcast.net) |
Date: 2007-05-15 18:33:11 UTC-05:00
Cool. Maybe two groups of kids are trying the same idea. :-)
According to the neighborhood, the teen boys supposedly learned about
letterboxing from the sister of one of them who learned about it via Girl
Scouts in the area. The sister learned about discretion and to be very very
responsible about re-hiding the box well because of how frustrating and
depressing it can be for someone to do a lot of searching for a box that was
missing due to irresponsible re-hiding. She passed this on to her brother,
who supposedly got together with some of his friends.
Well, the teen boys supposedly thought............hmmm..........frustrated
adults..........depressed adults..........possibly really angry
adults..............might be great on youtube. :-) But after awhile, not
so many people were searching for the box anymore plus the boys supposedly
got concerned that they might get in trouble, so they decided to rename the
box and title it "Unclaimed" and have a contact address that wouldn't really
work out if anyone tried to use it, in hopes that nobody could trace exactly
who placed-but-didn't-place the box. :-) Better than wasting their time on
videogames I guess. Could be worse.
~~ Mosey ~~
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From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of RIFamily
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 6:09 PM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [LbNA] Re: Adopt Or Not
Nope, box in question is in Rhode Island.
RIFamily
regarding
If that's the box in Lombard, IL in DuPage County....
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According to the neighborhood, the teen boys supposedly learned about
letterboxing from the sister of one of them who learned about it via Girl
Scouts in the area. The sister learned about discretion and to be very very
responsible about re-hiding the box well because of how frustrating and
depressing it can be for someone to do a lot of searching for a box that was
missing due to irresponsible re-hiding. She passed this on to her brother,
who supposedly got together with some of his friends.
Well, the teen boys supposedly thought............hmmm..........frustrated
adults..........depressed adults..........possibly really angry
adults..............might be great on youtube. :-) But after awhile, not
so many people were searching for the box anymore plus the boys supposedly
got concerned that they might get in trouble, so they decided to rename the
box and title it "Unclaimed" and have a contact address that wouldn't really
work out if anyone tried to use it, in hopes that nobody could trace exactly
who placed-but-didn't-place the box. :-) Better than wasting their time on
videogames I guess. Could be worse.
~~ Mosey ~~
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From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of RIFamily
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Subject: RE: [LbNA] Re: Adopt Or Not
Nope, box in question is in Rhode Island.
RIFamily
regarding
If that's the box in Lombard, IL in DuPage County....
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RE: [LbNA] Re: Adopt Or Not
From: RIFamily (RIFamily@cox.net) |
Date: 2007-05-15 20:06:18 UTC-04:00
Mosey, sorry, I should have made it clear... in the distant past some people
HAD found this box. Then it went missing.
But now you are making me wonder what "Unclaimed" meant!
RIFamily
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HAD found this box. Then it went missing.
But now you are making me wonder what "Unclaimed" meant!
RIFamily
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[LbNA] Re: Adopt Or Not
From: CompassPoints (ltrboxingrichters@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2007-05-16 12:51:38 UTC
My first thought is to archive the old box and create a new one on the
website. As you've said the only thing that's the same is the name.
Kim
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--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "RIFamily" wrote:
>
> In this vein, I have a query.
>
> Last year I tried to find a box that had the clues on LB.org. We
could not
> find the box. And other searchers previously had not either. Very
straight
> forward clues, the box was just gone. On LB.org the box was listed as
> Unclaimed. I do not know the history of how it became listed as
such. The
> trail name of the original placer was in the clues but when I
contacted the
> person who I could find with that same trail name they said no, it
wasn't
> them.
>
> I expressed concerned and said that I would be willing to adopt the
box if
> it was adoptable. I even ask on the yahoo group and people who knew
of the
> box (but not the placer) encouraged adoption. LB.org agreed.
>
> LB.org transferred to me. I had intended on either placing the box
in the
> same exact location, or very very close, keeping all the clues
intact. But
> after going back to the location we determined that the spot was
really not
> hidden well enough and there was nothing very nearby to move it to.
>
> So our new location is actually in a different spot on the same
property. I
> have kept a lot of the original verbiage but the clues are changed
enough
> that is now about 50% original and 50% new.
>
> So now my question. Is this the same box anymore? It will have the
same
> name. I intend on keeping the original planter's trailname in the
clues,
> saying that we have adopted it.
>
> But have we? It's a new stamp, I have no idea what the original
even looked
> like. It's a new final hiding place. How should I handle this?
Should the
> clues be just deleted and I add this as a new plant with no mention
of the
> old box or placer? If so I would have to reword all of the clues, I
think,
> so that none of if it would be the original planter's words.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> RIFamily
>
>
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website. As you've said the only thing that's the same is the name.
Kim
Compass Points
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "RIFamily"
>
> In this vein, I have a query.
>
> Last year I tried to find a box that had the clues on LB.org. We
could not
> find the box. And other searchers previously had not either. Very
straight
> forward clues, the box was just gone. On LB.org the box was listed as
> Unclaimed. I do not know the history of how it became listed as
such. The
> trail name of the original placer was in the clues but when I
contacted the
> person who I could find with that same trail name they said no, it
wasn't
> them.
>
> I expressed concerned and said that I would be willing to adopt the
box if
> it was adoptable. I even ask on the yahoo group and people who knew
of the
> box (but not the placer) encouraged adoption. LB.org agreed.
>
> LB.org transferred to me. I had intended on either placing the box
in the
> same exact location, or very very close, keeping all the clues
intact. But
> after going back to the location we determined that the spot was
really not
> hidden well enough and there was nothing very nearby to move it to.
>
> So our new location is actually in a different spot on the same
property. I
> have kept a lot of the original verbiage but the clues are changed
enough
> that is now about 50% original and 50% new.
>
> So now my question. Is this the same box anymore? It will have the
same
> name. I intend on keeping the original planter's trailname in the
clues,
> saying that we have adopted it.
>
> But have we? It's a new stamp, I have no idea what the original
even looked
> like. It's a new final hiding place. How should I handle this?
Should the
> clues be just deleted and I add this as a new plant with no mention
of the
> old box or placer? If so I would have to reword all of the clues, I
think,
> so that none of if it would be the original planter's words.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> RIFamily
>
>
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Re: [LbNA] Re: Adopt Or Not
From: budster2@juno.com (budster2@juno.com) |
Date: 2007-05-16 16:06:41 UTC
i wish some 'good' letterboxer would 'adopt' the BEAN letterbox because of the distance to get to it. Otherwise it will be a little bit longer in the missing category. Unless the spot is no longer accessible (from the placer ..... budster)
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